Who Redpilled Elon? Everyone did. Try using social media without the love and support of progressives on your side and I imagine it would be very isolating. And then other isolated individuals unite.
This is great. Could/should teach an entire course around this writing.
I’ve a deep need to lift and share with so many ignoramuses I encounter daily - those history and fact-challenged rubes who lazily grab hold of one fact, usually perverted, and think they know something.
The ignorant masses; they know enough to get us all in trouble. And here we are...
Racially-charged views? "...the belief not only should horrific, antisemitic, Nazi, and race-hatred content be allowed on every platform but that because of its very transgressiveness, it should be elevated to confront the delicate sensibilities of the woke bourgeoisie"? A wave of anti-semites and Nazis on Twitter? I use Twitter every day and I follow Elon and I haven't seen ANY evidence or examples of this. Your opening example contains absolutely no racist, extreme, or offensive statement or belief written by Elon. Perhaps you could send me a few examples of the kind of thing you're seeing because it's invisible to me and your speculative takedown of Elon seems to heavily depend upon it: j.mill21xx@gmail.com .
Confirmed. FFS, don't you have to PAY to be able to comment? I'll never understand this shit -- who does he think he's persuading over to his side? And why doesn't Substack have a BLOCK feature? So many questions.
Substack does have a block feature. Go to the profile of the person who is annoying you, then look at the three dots in the upper right hand corner, and select “block.” You will still see their comments whenever they post, but they will not be able to reply to you.
Well, that's a lame "block!" Nazi-boy was filling whole screens with copy/paste BS, and I wanted to see, "Content Not Available," or something equally as final. What is wrong with Substack? Ugh! Thanks, Janet.
I agree, they need a better blocking mechanism. But writers can ban people from their publications and delete the offensive comments, which is what Rick did, I assume. We will be forever plagued by these fools; there seems to be no end in sight.
Conspiracy is a shared language in the Alt-Right. Everyone uses the same arguments, only adapting the terminology to their intended audience. As an example, Tucker Carlson will speak of Democrats using Illegals to replace Legacy Americans. Tune in to Alex Jones, Democrats will be replaced by an extra-dimensional Satanic cabal, and he'll specify Legacy Americans mean white Americans. Fuentes, meanwhile, will go full Elders of Zion, inferior races, and Aryans.
Everything they need is for one of these variations to stick in your mind. The core argument matters more than the details. Details are easier to alter afterward. There's an entire ecosystem here, not a spiderweb but a noxious ball of toxic fumes, with grifters all competing for they prey they lure inside.
If you can stomach it, Alex Jones' interview with Ye is insightful. With Jones trying to steer a bumbling Ye by giving subtle advice about alternative phrasing and vague language to package his antisemitism in so he can milk the appearance for money and satisfy his pathetic craving for respectability by associating himself with famous people. While Fuentes is goading Ye to be explict for his own amusement and as a battering ram to enter into the mainstream rather than 2-3 levels down the radicalization sewer. And then watch the later 'debate' between just Jones and Fuentes as a contrast.
I think key is the original loneliness, where that level of lonely brings to you the only person to care for is the self, and slowly all innate choice of service to others disappears.
Exactly as you said " The lonely ones are easier to convert. Something about him feels deeply, fundamentally lonely"
Well, going back to his formative years in South Africa might shine some light on who he is. Apparently he was bullied by native black South Africans and had a favorite bicycle stolen by force. Being part of the elite occupiers, a defensive mechanism, sub or consciously based on being from a rich family of the European colonizers, he feelings were hurt and instead of developing a nuanced perspective of why he was bullied or why his bike was stolen by poor desperate native peoples, anger and seeds of racism grew toward the oppressed versus the oppressors -Dutch white leadership during Apartheid decades before Mandela changed history there in the 1990s. Also, most tech bros were not socially adept or popular in High School, thus having limited emotional intelligence which comes from healthy social interactions. Now they have absurd fortunes, based mostly on the Wall Street Casino Monopoly maker, and real power on the world stage for better and worse.
I thinks it’s much simpler. He got into ketamine, and that has ushered in his descent into madness. ‘Mind-altering’ doesn’t always mean altered in a good way. He appears to be much more susceptible to social bubbles and negative feedback loops now, just as much as any other drug-addled addict would be. I wish him the best, the world needs his intelligence and resources for the betterment of our species.
'I wish him the best, the world needs his intelligence and resources for the betterment of our species.' Not sure I agree with that. I think Elon is overrated in every way. In addition to being
Silicon Valley tech bro culture is like dystopian fiction sometimes.
I highly recommend the Atlantic podcast episode about Peter Thiel. Another Silicon Valley weirdo. When they started talking about death he sounded like a terrified little boy, and there was all kinds of magical thinking about a technical solution to death. It was honestly the saddest thing I have heard in a long time.
What a disappointment for Elon that money neither buys friends, respect or admiration. There's a country song that was written in 1954 titled, "Satisfied Mind". Nice message that we all might like to hear and keep in mind at this Thanksgiving Time. Take Care.
It was incredibly aggravating, and irresponsible, when Bill Maher told him, "You're very funny."
No, he isn't. Not in the slightest. And Bill Maher *must* know that. A political comedian like Maher validating Elon Musk's pathetic, needy, unfunny trolling only made him worse. Maher, I think, has redeemed himself in recent weeks, but that was a sickening moment.
Thank you for another brilliant piece, with the usual sprinkling of sick Wilsonian burns (she said, pretending to be young). You mentioned the rabbit hole: maybe you've read James Pogue's piece about 18 months ago. It shed disturbing light on the pseudo-intellectual underpinnings of this unholy Thiel - Curtis "Our Prophet" Yarvin - Vance, etc. alliance. (April 20, 2022, Vanity Fair). Worth the time, esp to see how Vance's fantasies/prediction of Trump's plan to assume dictatorial powers are taking real-life form.
One of the other influences on Grey Tribers -- soi-disant Silicon Valley libertarians -- has been Scott Alexander Siskind's "rationalist" communities on his original Slate Star Codex website and now rechristened Astral Codex Ten Substack.
It's a sort of water cooler for edgelords and galaxy-brain types. Or, another metaphor is imagine a party where one guest is the Smartest Guy in the Room. They'll talk until they suck the oxygen out of the room. Now imagine a party where every guest is the Smartest Guy in the Room. That's what SSC/ACT communities are like.
On Will Wilkinson's dormant Model Citizen Substack, he noted that when New York Times reporter Cade Metz found Siskind's real name (his pen name was Scott Alexander, and the names of his communities are anagrams of his pen name) and published it, Siskind himself had a freakout and nuked his site. That pales in comparison to how fanatical the community turned out to be.
Wilkinson believes the freakout was over the more far-right figures who are resident commenters in good company, or Siskind's belief in IQ hereditarianism (especially the more scientific racist parts).
Who Redpilled Elon? Everyone did. Try using social media without the love and support of progressives on your side and I imagine it would be very isolating. And then other isolated individuals unite.
Mark Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard invented Tesla.
Not some South Africa Gemstone Mine Inheritance Naziboy.
You incels have been Stupid Pilled. 😄
This is great. Could/should teach an entire course around this writing.
I’ve a deep need to lift and share with so many ignoramuses I encounter daily - those history and fact-challenged rubes who lazily grab hold of one fact, usually perverted, and think they know something.
The ignorant masses; they know enough to get us all in trouble. And here we are...
You always hit it out of the park. Thank you...
Racially-charged views? "...the belief not only should horrific, antisemitic, Nazi, and race-hatred content be allowed on every platform but that because of its very transgressiveness, it should be elevated to confront the delicate sensibilities of the woke bourgeoisie"? A wave of anti-semites and Nazis on Twitter? I use Twitter every day and I follow Elon and I haven't seen ANY evidence or examples of this. Your opening example contains absolutely no racist, extreme, or offensive statement or belief written by Elon. Perhaps you could send me a few examples of the kind of thing you're seeing because it's invisible to me and your speculative takedown of Elon seems to heavily depend upon it: j.mill21xx@gmail.com .
We appear to have a neo-nazi spammer here who's really proud of his middle name.
Confirmed. FFS, don't you have to PAY to be able to comment? I'll never understand this shit -- who does he think he's persuading over to his side? And why doesn't Substack have a BLOCK feature? So many questions.
Substack does have a block feature. Go to the profile of the person who is annoying you, then look at the three dots in the upper right hand corner, and select “block.” You will still see their comments whenever they post, but they will not be able to reply to you.
Well, that's a lame "block!" Nazi-boy was filling whole screens with copy/paste BS, and I wanted to see, "Content Not Available," or something equally as final. What is wrong with Substack? Ugh! Thanks, Janet.
I agree, they need a better blocking mechanism. But writers can ban people from their publications and delete the offensive comments, which is what Rick did, I assume. We will be forever plagued by these fools; there seems to be no end in sight.
I don't think little basement-dwellers like this think in terms of persuading anyone. It's just screaming into the void.
Joe Slovo?
Best thing u can do for this, is to stay
off X!
On 5.
Conspiracy is a shared language in the Alt-Right. Everyone uses the same arguments, only adapting the terminology to their intended audience. As an example, Tucker Carlson will speak of Democrats using Illegals to replace Legacy Americans. Tune in to Alex Jones, Democrats will be replaced by an extra-dimensional Satanic cabal, and he'll specify Legacy Americans mean white Americans. Fuentes, meanwhile, will go full Elders of Zion, inferior races, and Aryans.
Everything they need is for one of these variations to stick in your mind. The core argument matters more than the details. Details are easier to alter afterward. There's an entire ecosystem here, not a spiderweb but a noxious ball of toxic fumes, with grifters all competing for they prey they lure inside.
If you can stomach it, Alex Jones' interview with Ye is insightful. With Jones trying to steer a bumbling Ye by giving subtle advice about alternative phrasing and vague language to package his antisemitism in so he can milk the appearance for money and satisfy his pathetic craving for respectability by associating himself with famous people. While Fuentes is goading Ye to be explict for his own amusement and as a battering ram to enter into the mainstream rather than 2-3 levels down the radicalization sewer. And then watch the later 'debate' between just Jones and Fuentes as a contrast.
Musk is far more useful to them than Ye is.
I think key is the original loneliness, where that level of lonely brings to you the only person to care for is the self, and slowly all innate choice of service to others disappears.
Exactly as you said " The lonely ones are easier to convert. Something about him feels deeply, fundamentally lonely"
Well, going back to his formative years in South Africa might shine some light on who he is. Apparently he was bullied by native black South Africans and had a favorite bicycle stolen by force. Being part of the elite occupiers, a defensive mechanism, sub or consciously based on being from a rich family of the European colonizers, he feelings were hurt and instead of developing a nuanced perspective of why he was bullied or why his bike was stolen by poor desperate native peoples, anger and seeds of racism grew toward the oppressed versus the oppressors -Dutch white leadership during Apartheid decades before Mandela changed history there in the 1990s. Also, most tech bros were not socially adept or popular in High School, thus having limited emotional intelligence which comes from healthy social interactions. Now they have absurd fortunes, based mostly on the Wall Street Casino Monopoly maker, and real power on the world stage for better and worse.
I thinks it’s much simpler. He got into ketamine, and that has ushered in his descent into madness. ‘Mind-altering’ doesn’t always mean altered in a good way. He appears to be much more susceptible to social bubbles and negative feedback loops now, just as much as any other drug-addled addict would be. I wish him the best, the world needs his intelligence and resources for the betterment of our species.
'I wish him the best, the world needs his intelligence and resources for the betterment of our species.' Not sure I agree with that. I think Elon is overrated in every way. In addition to being
a horrible person.
Silicon Valley tech bro culture is like dystopian fiction sometimes.
I highly recommend the Atlantic podcast episode about Peter Thiel. Another Silicon Valley weirdo. When they started talking about death he sounded like a terrified little boy, and there was all kinds of magical thinking about a technical solution to death. It was honestly the saddest thing I have heard in a long time.
Here's a gift link to the transcript:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-thiel-2024-election-politics-investing-life-views/675946/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
What a disappointment for Elon that money neither buys friends, respect or admiration. There's a country song that was written in 1954 titled, "Satisfied Mind". Nice message that we all might like to hear and keep in mind at this Thanksgiving Time. Take Care.
It was incredibly aggravating, and irresponsible, when Bill Maher told him, "You're very funny."
No, he isn't. Not in the slightest. And Bill Maher *must* know that. A political comedian like Maher validating Elon Musk's pathetic, needy, unfunny trolling only made him worse. Maher, I think, has redeemed himself in recent weeks, but that was a sickening moment.
No, Elon isn't funny. He's as unfunny as he's unlikeable.
Thank you for another brilliant piece, with the usual sprinkling of sick Wilsonian burns (she said, pretending to be young). You mentioned the rabbit hole: maybe you've read James Pogue's piece about 18 months ago. It shed disturbing light on the pseudo-intellectual underpinnings of this unholy Thiel - Curtis "Our Prophet" Yarvin - Vance, etc. alliance. (April 20, 2022, Vanity Fair). Worth the time, esp to see how Vance's fantasies/prediction of Trump's plan to assume dictatorial powers are taking real-life form.
One of the other influences on Grey Tribers -- soi-disant Silicon Valley libertarians -- has been Scott Alexander Siskind's "rationalist" communities on his original Slate Star Codex website and now rechristened Astral Codex Ten Substack.
It's a sort of water cooler for edgelords and galaxy-brain types. Or, another metaphor is imagine a party where one guest is the Smartest Guy in the Room. They'll talk until they suck the oxygen out of the room. Now imagine a party where every guest is the Smartest Guy in the Room. That's what SSC/ACT communities are like.
On Will Wilkinson's dormant Model Citizen Substack, he noted that when New York Times reporter Cade Metz found Siskind's real name (his pen name was Scott Alexander, and the names of his communities are anagrams of his pen name) and published it, Siskind himself had a freakout and nuked his site. That pales in comparison to how fanatical the community turned out to be.
Part I: https://modelcitizen.substack.com/p/grey-lady-steel-man
Part II: https://modelcitizen.substack.com/p/climbing-the-bell-curve-to-the-cathedral
Wilkinson believes the freakout was over the more far-right figures who are resident commenters in good company, or Siskind's belief in IQ hereditarianism (especially the more scientific racist parts).